The only explanation that I can think of is that it was pumped full of adrenaline. Shock Wave or the Tac-12 pistols leave a bigger hole ! But if you are hiking in territories inhabited by mountain lions, they can present a serious danger. Find where Forrest Service websites describe the various stages of Bear attacks and when to shoot in self defense. Lets hope that we can all avoid the threat of mauling, but if youre unfortunate enough to have it happen to you, be prepared. Once at night on a fishing trip in the beartooths we had a grizzly fooling around out side the tent, Out I went with my trusty .475 in one hand and a flashlight in the other. For small game, a 38 Spcl. a lot of hunting forums ive read recommend at least .357 for the wilderness and thats the bare minimum for small to somewhat medium game/predators. If you can't gain proficiency and carry something of reasonable power level, then go with spray. Thats a lot of lead and a lot of head ( aka, big meplat). I agree the 329 PD is ideal with Lower Recoil .44 Magnum Ammo 255 gr. I am from Houston, TX. .357 magnum will probably work as long as you're not running into any bears .44 magnum is preferable. Id never seen tracks that huge. I rather be over gun then under gun. You cant load the right ammo for bear defense, but its better than a sharp stick. In Colorado, population estimates range from 3,000 to 7,000 mountain lions. Its certainly not the lightest sidearm weighing in at just over 3 pounds, fully loaded in its holster but when Im forced to enter bear country, I have absolutely no worries. And its usually charging you in a self-defense situation where youre trying to penetrate all that meat, gristle and bone in the way of its vital organs. For more information about Smith & Wesson, click here. What do you know! I have yet to set foot in Alaska, but I have many friends and colleagues who either live there, or have significant hunting experience in the 49th state, where encounters with brown bears can honestly represent the hunter becoming the hunted. bullets would probably only allow one shot, one handed. That being said, I would carry both. A .38 caliber revolver naturally makes an ideal companion for fishing, camping, hunting, If we didnt carry our primary hunting rifle, we carried a shotgun. If not, always nice to have to many guns.. After wearing out a few S&W frames in 44mag, I switched to the short barreled Ruger Alaskan in 44mag. Why are you people just bubbling so much is it because you need to say something that means nothen in the real world. He veered off, probably because I stopped moving or smelled that I peed my pants. The Smith & Wesson 329 PD is by far the best handgun choice for self-defense against bears and boars while out and about in the woods. Youre 100% correct. Very interesting. I would recomend holding off until the bear is so close that he would be hard to miss and then not shooting any higher than nostril level. I believe he used a 9mm. FMJ. I used them for too many years to be so. I dont care if my hand probably wont wrap around the grip. I shot a 1000+ lb. My handloads push a 200gr hardcast bullet to just under 1300fps. First shot went wild as the bear clamped down on his forearm and shook him. Between airlines, public transportation, hotels, ferryboats, etc. These people were lucky they didnt get rabies. I call BS. A grizzly bear is a formidable foe, having no issue whatsoever proving its dominance over human beings. Defensive purse swinging! They only work if you have them with you. That was my initial question as well. Sometimes I carry a .44 Magnum with 300-grain cast bullets, but never anything smaller for bear protection. The police standard is not to let a person get closer than 21 feet with a weapon like a knife, club etc with out being engaged. They are not a pleasant round to shoot but manageable for me, I have been shooting the 44mag pistol for almost 50 years and have lived in Interior Alaska for 38 years now. Their saliva or blood can kill you even after the animal itself is already dead. For more information about Hornady ammunition, click here. where do you come up with this bullshit. Capable yet not-overpowered, accurate and easy-to-control except in aluminum framed 2" snubnose versions, it remains a solid choice for discrete carry and pleasure shooting days at the local target range. Buffalo bore and underwood make fmj,hardcast and exteme hunter ammo. I asked what type of Rifle he carried. bear which turned on him. All shots were heart lung ,,,edit,, All shots were attempted heart lung. Buffalo bore makes a 380 grain hardcast gas checked round now too. Not being a cougar hunter, didnt pay much attention to it. My mountain weapon is a 458 SOCOM, semi-auto, from a 8in barrel, eotech halo-graphic, green laser and 1000 lumen light, with a 300gr lead tip hollow point. The author is right in the close terrain on of the Bitterroors, youre only going to get two shots off and the second one will be point blank. There are too many stories of people getting mauled by bears that charged right through their attempt to spray it, and they could never get to their gun in time once the bear hit. It has been updated through June of 2017. Changing, yes, but then you look at the ravages of the recent volcanoes and all the CO2 released. There was an Indian woman in Canada out hunting small game for the stew pot with her .22 rifle, when she found herself being hunted by a large grizzly. I wonder how much penetration that will make on a bears skull? But so He saved them both, barely, with his .338 rifle. His eyes were as wide as saucers, and he was taking strides twice as long as his normal gait would produce. My advice would be take the largest caliber you can comfortably handle. The animal slain by the man charged on Tuesday was a mountain lion known to wildlife biologists as P-38, a male about 7 years old believed to have sired four litters of cubs, said Karen Wold . Definitely not in the same category as a Mounain lion. I believe that folks who do their own reloading can increase the powder and velocity of this caliber, but I am reluctant to try the beefed up bullets in a Scandium or polymer framed weapon. Its the sick, injured, old one that will risk human contact. My first choice is a Springfield XD 5 inch in 460 Rowland. I dont recall if it ran on Discovery, National Geographic or The History Channel. Not a chance will I ever take those with me here in Alaska, other than around town where bear issues are far more unlikely. Babb said the attack occurred while the boy and his family were taking a break from riding all-terrain vehicles. Bye the time you get out a can of spray and start squirting it at a charging bear, and it starts burning his eyes he will be swallowing your nice juicy rump roast ! Bullets dont tend to divert in the wind at the necessary defensive distances. Folks need to realize that most .45 Colt cases are not strong enough to handle those high pressure loads even if the gun could. Holy shit! The Blackhawk is tough as nails, and while it may not have the prestige of a Colt Single Action Army, it is utterly dependable. Next up is 44 magnum, I have 2 LAR Grizzly 44 mags, which as most of you know are simply enlarged 1911s that shoot 44 mag. 07-11-2013, 08:10 AM. Humans make a choice to attack you and deserve what they get. 8gr 800-X will put some lead into anyones pencil. Mountain lions are normally very secretive and cautious. In fact, a shot from a .357 caliber revolver or a shotgun at close range is more likely to kill a mountain lion than an accidental discharge . No bear or cubs life is worth a human life. No semi-auto makes the grade except perhaps the .50 AE, but most ammo for that fails due to bullets. Join half a million readers enjoying Newsweek's free newsletters. You will only have only one chance to prove fluffy wont kill you. Under normal circumstances, the lion would have returned to eat the prey. The grizzly and brown bears are a completely different story. If a domestic animal (pet/livestock) is injured or killed by a mountain lion, the owner has the legal right in California to have the mountain lion killed. A man accused of taking part in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot is now facing house arrest for killing a mountain lion in Colorado - with a gun he wasn't supposed to have.. Patrick Montgomery was . I simply killed her with kindness, responding: for the same reason you dont buy bathroom tissue, one sheet at a time, MAMM. landowners can request a special permit to catch or kill a mountain lion if it has killed livestock and caused damage. Couple Im friends with have a vacation home in NW Montana(we all live in So. A 300gr bullet at 1000 fps has 666 ft-lbs of energy. The, pucker factor has a lot to do with taking over full control of,your sight-alignment, sight-picture, breathing and trigger squeeze regardless of what you are using. However, two of those incidents resulted in fatalities. Fortunately, another adult P.J.s uncle in the party had brought a handgun along and had left it in a vehicle that was parked nearby. the 45 colt will out perform even the 454 if the right cases are used in bullet weights up to 410gr. The Marine carried an AR15/M4 .223 REM/5.56MM. Their large hind legs also make them excellent at sprinting for short distances. If you are confronted by a bear, leave the deer or food and do not run as this triggers the predators instinct to charge after you as prey. Those pesky day to day perils of life keep getting in the way. Told me to that towards evening they made Camp during Daylight Hours. If he does not already carry a firearm then he should. Bear spray works on mountain lions, and the concept behind its usage remains the same for many large carnivores. For me, Id say whatever you have at the time is better than nothing. Most sheep hunts have included bear encounters. But also a few manufacturers that load plus P 45 Colt rounds that are every bit as powerful as the 44 magnum. Great Man, and he never told a fib while I grew up At 75 I will never know. Cork Grahams rig. 400g hornady JHP on a 300lb hog shot from front, while laying prone, went through the shoulder, traveled full length of body and exited hind-quarter over 2.5 feet of thick, dense, penetration. The Hodgden #25 manual does show loads for a 200-grain bullet using HS6, Trap100 and HP38 powders. And, take the time and professional training to get to know how it feels to defend yourself in a close-combat type of scenario. In the early hours of 25 November 2016, the day after . Most rangers will tell you a $50. BTW the 2nd encounter was by a friend who was carrying that old M572 shots on a wounded grizzly same load did him in. Not enough bullet weight. great chose but as always ,, we forget the 41 magnum.. 454=1 44=2 and that family on that show Alaska running around with them 10mm auto are waiting to be eating by a Big Brown bear. 6. If one comes onto my property, its dead, otherwise Ill leave them alone, unless of course in self defense. On my next trip I will get a gun with a 4 barrel!! sounds like you have too many guns and cant decide on which one to take. wolves Always do your homework before entering any unfamiliar land, especially bear infested areas so you will be acquainted with these and other survival techniques including escape routes should you encounter an emergency situation. It took two more rounds to bring it down, running about 60 yards. A lion's natural life span is probably about 12 years in the wild and up to 25 years in captivity. 1988 a Montana Fish and Game Officer utilized same handgun to dispatch a Grizzly A good .357 Magnum and I really like the Kimber K6s will definitely come in handy. I like the S&W 460 as well. Its also probably a one or two shot deal, so firepower is irrelevant. We killed about 5 hogs every week he shot them with 22 never saw any that didnt fall over dead. Carry the most powerful gun you can actually effectively use. 10 mm HAH why not hit the Bear with your Purse? Mountain lions are a protected species in California. I called out local F&G agent. C. After a Loss Depredation Permit Process. I have never had a chance to stop a bear yet buy was close to one in Yellow Stone park a few years ago when the bear came With respect to the brownies, I have reached out to the bear guides, residents and hunters for their wisdom and experience on the matter, to find out exactly which sidearms they favor and why. Or even a simple GLOCK 10mm like the A.H.P. If the mountain lion successfully ambushed a wolf, the fight is immediately over, and the wolf is dead due to a pierced skull or ripped throat. National Park Service, via AP, FILE. coastal on the Alaska peninsula quartering away with a .338 Win mag. If I had not shot the hog with a .44 Magnum I think it would have ended very badly. having confidence in your weapon. You have been reading to many comic books. One lion can consume up to 20 or 30 pounds of meat in a single meal. With a 5 inch un-ported barrel, 300 grain hard cast solids, cut an X on the point with a fine hack saw about 1/8 of an inch deep. The Casull is an updated and slightly elongated version of the .45 Colt, fully capable of firing .45 Colt ammunition. They respond pretty well to people calibers without the need to go full-on hand cannon. With a double-action police type service revolver I can unload all six spent shell casings into the palm of my hand and thus There were teams of men racing across Alaska. Carry the biggest gun you can for bears or charging moose. 50 round box should last a lifetime. I almost needed a new clean pair of drawers. Same holster also. 540 gr leaving the 7 barrel at 1200 FPS. your comments hold great weight with me!! Poisons, like these rodenticides, harm lions. that will allow the bullets to be seated and crimped .100 further out than factory specs. can a 38 special kill a mountain lion. What? I know Phil has seen more bears killed than I ever will, but he got lucky. You could get pretty close to a semi-auto .454 Casull if you had a .440 Cor-Bon Desert Eagle. Its often with me in bear country and has made several trips to Alaska. I would rather lug a 12 gauge or Marlin guide gun in 45/70 for bear protection. Who knows? The problem is the gun. Fortunately, I had a spare cap in my pocket. of course be loaded and kept down loaded with .38 Special ammo (modern). The statement that you wont be able to dump a full magazine into a charging bear is likely true as well. Alfredo Gonzalez, 60 . This attack from 2008 shows the utility of a handgun for defense against predators in the wild. Sep 25, 2007. LOL. and driving a rig your not in the Alaskan brush. Speaking of the 10mm, theres no mention. I dont plan to go out in the woods or scrubs any more but the S&W 629 with a 8 & 3/8 barrel Ive owned for 25 years will serve me well against black bears or hogzillas here in sunny Florida should the need arise. I always heard all you need is a .25 auto. May 12, 2018. With 158-grain bullets moving at nearly 800 fps, this probably represents along with the 9mm Luger the lower end of the spectrum, as far as a defensive bear gun goes. Any wildlife that is killed will remain the property of the state and will be reported to the division within five days. The people who shot the cougar had no way of knowing that the cougar had rabies when they shot it. Hollow points are better for stopping large game if you are pushing a fairly large bullet, 250 grain and larger, at fairly high velocity 1400 fps +the larger bullet with the higher velocity will give you enough penetration for the hollow point to do its job. 39% were found to . There is an interesting compilation of mountain lion incidents and attacks titled: Cougar Attacks & Other Incidents -2000 to date. Oaf, that was funny! You can love a single action revolver but you wont find an Alaskan guide or hunter carrying one, or a semi-auto pistol without a 45-70 or 338WinMag at the ready. Does Bear Spray work?.. Remember you can be turned into bear shit with in two days if you are wrong! These lions belong there. This calls for a heavy crimp (I use a Redding profile crimp die and seat and crimp in two seperate operations useing H-11O or Win. Exceptional combo when paired with the right revolver and load. Now before we take a look at particular models and calibers, lets get one basic premise out of the way: when the excrement hits the oscillator, any gun is better than no gun. Thanks! 296) Alan and Alex are correct. Mountain Lions are extremely fast, territorial, and capable of seriously injuring and killing even an adult human. 2018 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included. Mine rides in a Diamond D Guides Choice model. The range of a Mountain Lion may cover 25 to 785 square miles. SCCY DVG-1 Review. Good stuff. All silliness aside, this illustrates a challenge for a woods gun. I have a Springsfield 460 Rowland and 400 CarBon for bears and back cup with 357 Mag in a Tarus 7 shoot to stop any bear. Ive lived and hunted and fished in Alaska since 1993. You dont need a laboratory test to confirm that it was behaving strangely. They live off the grid and have lots of bear trouble with their livestock. It can be very difficult to bring down a rabid animal. Good article. How about a 40 S&W with double tap 200g cast core at manufacture specified something like 1150fps in a glock 22/23 or similiar firearm. I throughly tested a number of handguns and ammo two weeks before I had to kill a 900 # brown bear with a 9mm and I was confident I could stop a bear with it. The cartridge will push a 180-grain bullet to a respectable 1,300 fps, and that little Kimber has a lot to offer. Absolute .357 Mag in a revolver for me is a minimum. Can you show any proof that we are destroying anything? James A. They invited me out and told me that if I go, be forewarned that there are grizzlies about. The cougar was probably at the end of the rage stage, where attacks on almost anything are common. I wouldnt recommend anything less than .44 mag or equivalent. 99% of surviving a bear attack is having the brass to stand steady enough to make a good shot. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Though it is illegal under state law to kill a mountain lion to protect a pet, CPW has decided not to press charges. Id wager that Ive walked within feet of bear and cougar many times without realizing that they were there. Year later, shot a black bear same ammo, but out of a desert eagle way better results. I purchased the gun from the nephew of an Alaskan Guide who had to kill several large browns with this same revolver. My Glock 10 mm w/ 15 + 1,in They understood the dangers. There are videos out there that show this gun/ammo combo going through both sides of the current US Army helmet. A 45 or 44 mag would be better, but i no longer care to carry the extra weight. Stupidity has no limits ! Of course the welfare of humans (the public) must always come last. There are many reviews of this caliber online. In the middle of our camps we kept a ready shotgun on a small folding table so if a quick exit from the tents was called for, everyone at least know where that one was. Yet I acknowledge the semi-automatic pistol and its place in certain shooting applications. within the last 30 years, this doesnt necessarily need to apply to civilians. Carry the biggest freaking Gun you can shoot very very well ! If so, what is the problem? CCIs classic .38 Special shot or snake Laying out the reasonable course of events leading up to a legitimate use of force against Bears (or Lion) would make it more difficult to prosecute (IMO for political / ideological reasons) citizens who defend themselves against bear (or lion) attacks. Were they harder to kill then healthy racoons, no. This one took exception.) Eventually, Ill get around to getting a .460 Rowland kit and chest holster for my 1911 and start taking that instead. Not trying to be cute, but when you slaughter a hog, you shoot them in the head. Ive racoons hunted quite a bit and upon shooting healthy racoons they either crash dead or make as fleet of an escape as the wounds will allow. I have skinned three browns, two grizzlies and more black bears than I care to remember. I would want a 45 cal or at least a 9mm double action semi-auto with a chambered cartridge every time. had the game warden not had his .357 Magnum holstered on his person the Grizzly She had gone out to get water and as she left she picked up her grandfathers .22 because up there you just never leave the cabin without a gun. Winchester lists their .410 GA slugs as 1800 feet per second. concealed carry and for the outdoors: hiking, fishing, camping, bird watching, gathering hall county warrant list; delancey street rehab new mexico; frosty hesson wife brenda; atf agent tased; 3d dirt bike games unblocked; curt doussett birth date; , 2 2020. . Attacks continued and now a lion is dead. But I enjoy listening to people who think they know everything prove they dont. Since Proposition . A woman was killed by a cougar, in Washington State a couple of weeks ago, while mountain biking. or wherever. Other accounts give less detail about accessing the firearm, and indicate that two shots were fired. This is a real concern on the outskirts of . Unless you are an expert hand-gunner with tons of real world experience.. carry a rifle and have the pistol as backup. I usually carry it in a cross-draw holster that allows me to ride a horse or ATV. So, perhaps .45 colt is NOT the best choice for a bear. A revolver is a one threat gun so unless you are Jerry Miculek you will run out of ammo with a revolver. The compilation lists 61 mountain lion attacks that resulted in injuries in the 16 and a half years, and at least 31 cases where attacks were thwarted by aggressive action. While attempting to release the Grizzly an accident occurred with the bear on top of I have a hard time believing when pressed in close quarters, that they would do well with a .410 load in the face. I mixed opinions about this article. For what its worth, my 357 handloads meet the 700 ft-lbs mark too, with a 185gr hardcast doing 1350, though Im not as fast on target with it. Colorado Springs, Colo. The craggy mesas and sagebrush valleys of the West have a wild horse problem. @1,3000+ FPS, a 255 gr. My wife carries an old Model 60. I mostly use single action pistols in 44 Mag, 45 colt, 454 casull, and a Bowen 475 Linebaugh that is my favorite. Picture yourself on your back with a bear in your face and you trying to fight him off with one hand and reaching for your gun. Speaking of cougars, check out this video from Barcroft TV. By Mary Forgione. That long pipe makes for a heavier gun, but Im OK with that because the additional sighting distance and small velocity gain are both appreciated. I carry a SW 500 in a chest rig as backup. Mountain lions have a size advantage, a power advantage, and more weapons in their arsenal to kill a wolf. Id take the 9mm any day if it was my only 2 choices, loaded with 147 flat nose +P+ from Underwood Ammo. DRT. Mountain lions killed 15 dogs in 30 days near a Colorado town. Mountain lions have been terrorizing livestock in Lake County over the past weeks, and this was not the first instance to be reported to authorities. 38 special will kill you just as dead as a . Next I do reload them hot. A good friend used to go to Alaska to fish. This is perfect mountain lion habitat. I also have a small Freedom Arms in .500 Wyoming Express. We hadnt thought of that. I havent seen any of his Buddys to verify his story, But they like Jack, they have all passed away. .357 Magnum revolver. The 7 -inch barrel makes for a bit more cumbersome handgun, but the author feels the accuracy is well worth it. For the outdoors person a revolver can likewise chasing after and retrieving spent brass. You could see he was definitely sizing [P.J] up, Smith said. I have a CZ52 that shoots the old PPsH Tokarev LMG round. Trained dogs can be used to capture or kill depredating lions. bobcats May 24, 2022 Alexis. Oct. 14, 2020 6:15 PM PT. While Snap decisions in day to day life are a bad idea.. Absolutely. Why dont you go out in the woods and try out some of your hollowpoints . If the Hellsing 454 Casull is ever made (semi- auto), I want one. I had a face off not far from lake Iliamna with that combo and would not have traded it for the world. BTW chest rig is way to go with X frame revolvers. The one time I did push these cases was to experiment with that claim, and after 5 heavy loadings, the primer pockets were very loose, but no sign of any case separation. The 12-year-old in Alaska who just shot the brown with the shotgun is the son of a good friend. 7.6225 Red Army Standard 86gr. bird watching, hiking, backpacking, and enjoying nature. tell me want have you really killed lately. Absolute .357 Mag in a revolver for me is a minimum. Thanx! 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